Burgess Hill Town Centre Redevelopment

This is a public forum run by local volunteers for the people who live and work in and around the Burgess Hill area to comment on the recent MSDC plans to re-develop our town centre.

Background


In January, Mid Sussex District Council (MSDC) in conjunction with its selected developer (Thornfield Properties plc) published its long term redevelopment plans for Burgess Hill town centre. This came a quite as shock to many residents and businesses, as none had been previously consulted.

As a result, a local action group was formed to obtain greater information and co-ordinate our efforts in ensuring that our town centre is not turned into a multi-storey car park/concretre monstrosity.

If you have something to say about the plans (positive or negative) - say it below by adding your comments to our posts. If you would like to become an editor (to make posts), please email nataly@omegadm.co.uk. We currently have 37 editors.


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Sunday, March 26, 2006


Over 200 people attended this photo shoot!


On Sat 25th March all those against the Master Plan attended a photo shoot at Queen Cresent park (more pictures to come). The strong support received showed the united opposition to the proposed high rise development of the town centre.

As a results of our efforts, MSDC have now extended the consultation period for a further two months - until the end of July 2006.

A big thank you and well done to all those that have contributed to our efforts both here and elsewhere.

Brian Clifton
77 Station Road

Friday, March 24, 2006

Phil Evans - Re-development Proposals

11 Petworth Drive
Burgess Hill
West Sussex
RH15 8JT
22 March 2006

Burgess Hill Town Centre Re-development Proposals

As a resident in Burgess Hill since 1968, I offer the following observations on the proposed Town centre re-development:-

Anticipated Benefits – It is not clear to me what the aims of the re-development are, nor what the perceived benefits will be.

New Station Building – The proposal to construct a new station building at platform level on the west side will be highly inconvenient for those travelling to Brighton, particularly those living east of the railway. In my view the logical location for a new station building is just west of the existing on the area of scrub behind the brick wall. This would be at a slightly lower level serving a footbridge with fewer steps to both platforms and with access to back-of-platform ramps (or the existing east-side road) to provide disabled access to the present platform-level gateways. This would be convenient for passengers travelling in either direction and accessing from either side of the railway. It would face straight down Church Road allowing (with improved footpaths) easy pedestrian access to the town centre.

Station Access Road – An improved roadway could be provided from a roundabout on Station Road to serve the new station building, the platform level access, and the station car park. It could if desired ramp down across the top of the car park south of Wolstonbury Way (which could become a cul-de-sac) and lead straight into Queens Crescent and thence to a roundabout junction with Station Road.

Transport Interchange – Bus stops on both sides of the new Station Access Road (extended Queens Crescent) would provide all that is needed for all bus services to call at the railway station.

Pedestrian Route into Town Centre from Station – As well as the direct route from the new station building at the corner of the Station Access Road (the extended Queens Crescent) and Station Road, an alternative route could follow from Queens Crescent straight across Station Road and into the Market Place via the former indoor market area (now part of Wilkinsons).

Church Road – Further consideration should be given to pedestrianising the top part of Church Road. A new road would run from Mill Road behind the north-side properties to cross the existing Cyprus Road and link directly into Crescent Way with a short length of Cyprus Road reduced to a pedestrian-friendly service access. This proposal would entail the relocation of Hole’s cycle shop and the China Garden restaurant. Service access might need to be improved to the south-side properties but this appears readily practicable. Town Centre bus stops would be relocated to the new road / Crescent Way adjacent to the junction with Cyprus Road.

Car Parks – The proposals for multi-storey car parks are entirely inappropriate for a supermarket area, where trolley access on the flat is essential. We currently have over 1100 off-street public car parking spaces, a significant proportion of which are easily accessible for such trolleys. The available information gives no indication as to the numbers of available spaces in the new development – the only certain aspect is that they will be less convenient to users.

The Martletts – This, the first pedestrianised shopping area in Burgess Hill, could be dramatically improved by removal of the gloomy canopies and provision of a high-level glazed roof similar to the Market Place. There is scope for improving the appearance further with infill shops replacing the old public toilets, which would be replaced elsewhere (but at ground level, unlike those in the Market Place.

Small Shops – We have a good selection of smaller shops but, in my view, there is too high a proportion of Estate Agents and Charity shops.

Large Shops – It has to be recognised that in a ‘country’ area major retail outlets are unlikely to see any benefit in providing any shop within 10 miles of the nearest similar shop. Thus Burgess Hill and Haywards Heath are in direct competition for any ‘big-name’ outlets, with Brighton, Uckfield, East Grinstead, and Crawley all probably being sufficiently distant.

Restaurants / Cafes / Bars – Recent years have seen the development of an excellent selection of restaurants, cafes and bars. There is probably insufficient demand to support significantly more.

Town Gateway & Town Visibility – An architect’s fantasy, if ever there was one! As a stranger to any town, the main visible items I would normally seek are the signs to town-centre car parks and public toilets. We should accept that the edge-of-town sign-posting is intended to direct through traffic away from London Road and either along the A 2300 or around the by-pass. Most people driving along London Road will be either local, or heading for the town centre or the Tesco supermarket, so I see no benefit in any special treatment in that area.

Queen Elizabeth Avenue – Is there really anything wrong with this?

Station Road (Lower) – Would it not be sensible to link this to the Civic Way roundabout, making access to Oakmeeds School easier and safer?

Conclusion - In my view, there is scope to improve the town centre in a gentle and considerate manner, with some limited larger-scale development, but with no need for wholesale demolition of mostly modern property or removal of the existing car parks.

Post-script – With all the proposed increase in residential accommodation in the area, where are water supplies to be sourced?

Phil Evans

Wednesday, March 22, 2006

Press Report of Residents Meeting on 19-Mar-06

20th March 2006
Dear fellow resident,

This is a copy of the report which was sent to the Middy and the Leader following our meeting on Sunday.

Report of the Meeting held 3.30pm on Sunday 19th March at the Gateway Baptist Church for the residents of Queens Crescent, Station Road and representatives of other interested groups in Burgess Hill.

This was a very constructive meeting of approximately 50 people including representatives of other concerned groups in Burgess Hill. Three Councillors also attended the meeting as observers.

The purpose of the meeting was to update people on events to date and to advise on potential action to be taken up to and beyond the consultation period.

People agreed that all 54 Members should be made aware of concerns and e-mail addresses and template responses will be made available via www.kevanang@windyend.co.uk.

Councillors present heard some very constructive criticism regarding the process that is being followed however, grave concerns were raised about the validity of this process, with an agreement that legal advice will be sought in relation to the management of the process - namely, the responses being reviewed by the same people who wrote the Masterplan.

To mark the end of the consultation period all residents of Burgess Hill who have concerns about the Masterplans and would like to show solidarity are invited to the ‘Big Photo’ (a group photo) to be taken on Queens Crescent Park on Saturday 25th March at 1.00pm.


P.S. Some of you may have received a letter this morning from Anne Halligey at MSDC stating that the council has no plans to use Compulsory Purchase Order on properties in the “demolition zone”. We know this is stating the obvious, but residents shouldn’t take this as confirmation of safety. If our properties remain in the scheme’s development area, any planning application that adheres to the guidelines in the plan is likely to be approved. Our aim must still be to see that our properties are not included on an adopted plan.

However, this is an interesting development from the Council, as it seems to:

Ø directly contradict the arrogant statements made by Mr Jory in the press.
Ø support the statement made by Dick Lankester at our meeting.
Ø contradict the press comment made by MSDC after their meeting, that Dick Lankester’s statement was the opinion of an individual.

In this instance, it is encouraging that we have made them think about what they have been saying and how things have been presented.

Look forward to seeing you and your friends and family at the ‘Big Photo’ on Saturday at 1.00pm.

Tuesday, March 21, 2006

STAND AND BE COUNTED - THE 'BIG PHOTO'

To mark the end of the consultation period all residents of Burgess Hill who have concerns about the Masterplans and would like to show solidarity are invited to the 'Big Photo' (a group photo) to be taken on Queens Crescent Park on Saturday 25th March at 1.00pm.

Please spread the word - don't let Burgess Hill residents be accused of apathy!

Regards.

Sandra

Redevelopment of Burgess Hill

Dear Peter,

Thank you for an eloquent and well stated arguement against this madness. With intelligent and balanced people like you on our side we can win this campaign.

I look forward to re-reading your comments when they appear in the consultation document that is produced following this consultation period.

with best regards

JJ and Joe Beck
147 Station Road

Peter Lennard about Redevelopment of Burgess Hill

Dear Brian and Nataly Clifton, and also your colleagues, Sandra Thomas and Kevin Newton,

As a resident in the area I was interested to see your own comments on the plans for Burgess Hill on your website, which I saw in the local paper, after we had by chance seen the "Public Exhibition". We were in fact lucky that as we were shopping and passing the Martlets Hall, the Town Crier was doing his useful rounds and was just announcing the exhibition as we passed., shouting out that visitors could come in and look at the plans and say if they liked the scheme or, aptly enough, if they thought "they were dreadful"!.

Having seen the build-up to this in the press and how the plans time-and-time again never seemed to be quite ready to show to the press or the citizens of Burgess Hill, we dropped the immediate shopping plans and went in, expecting like most other people to see a big display, and amazed to find just a few tables to one side, with a milling crowd trying to see the small sheets outlining the plans.


For an such an important Public Consultative Exhibition, we were very surprised to find that unlike other similar previous displays we have seen elsewhere for other major schemes, there were no large-scale scale colour coded Plans, nor a Model, nor an Aerial Perspective, nor any Elevations or Sections. In this computer age, there was no audio presentation showing the scheme and its development principles, main ideas, evolution of designs, or "Virtual Reality" 3-D walk-throughs, all easily done nowadays and to be expected if one really wants to involve the public in a democratic design process, if that was the intention really was.


Visitors did not appear to be pleased with the limited display, and even less so when they saw what it was actually showing, leading to some lively exchanges with the Council Members present.

When visitors had time to carefully take in what was proposed, and all this with just a week to make any representations, it could be seen that the proposals amazingly were actually showing the removal and wholesale demolition of the following:-

- 3 main supermarkets, Waitrose, Iceland and LIDL.

- One entire wing of the only just built covered shopping Mall, with numerous shops to go, plus the indoor market area, its popular café, and a major furniture store
- The town's main performance space and library including the new extension, other cafes, night-club, the present popular own square and its market, and the adjacent shops and pedestrian precinct.

- The town's double cinema, the Salvation Army Hall, and the premises of most of the town's dentists, plus a large office block.
- All the town's present reasonably generous car-parking areas which attract shoppers and visitors to the area.


It seemed to many visitors to be an irrational move to demolish so many new or fairly recent buildings and to lose in doing so most of the town key enterprises, commerce and functions, simply to build it all over again anew, and then simply propose to re-house the same functions in a different layout, losing many attractive and practical features of the present layout, such a covered shopping etc, to replace this by large windswept spaces. Many of those amenities once gone may not come back and may simply re-locate with better facilities elsewhere.

The new scheme shows no virtually no provision for safe landscaped user-friendly ground-level car-parking, as at present, but only some limited underground parking, inadequate and dangerous and a discredited form of parking, that most other towns are trying to rid of. Even on the basis of the designers' apparent aims, the underground car-parking would have to be a good three to four levels deep to accommodate anything like the existing amount of car-parking, which has proved attractive and preferable to the much more limited parking facilities of other nearby towns such as Lewes or Haywards Heath. Many people including ourselves choose to shop in Burgess Hill in preference to elsewhere for that very reason.



Shops will rapidly realise that, and be wary of the new limited shopping facilities being offered here. Far from attracting new big shops to come to Burgess Hill, there maybe difficulties even in retaining the existing level of shops, with shoppers preferring to go elsewhere. Certainly Tesco's will benefit, with generous free parking available, and where the expensive-to-build underground car parks will need high parking charges to cover their cost, another deterrent to shoppers. On top of the unpleasantness of using them.

The new "Town Square" has been oddly placed on the high level windy ridge on the existing Civic Way slip road, which traffic will then have a more tortuous route, bringing traffic pollution to St Wilfred's School. The Aerial View (not part of the exhibition, but usefully featured on your website), shows the sites as all being flat, whereas there is a substantial difference in level up from Queen Elizabeth Avenue and then even more steeply down to the St Johns roundabout. The roads shown replacing this area will not therefore be flat but quite steep. The 4 storey buildings around the new proposed square will be visually very high seen from behind as one climbs up to the square level, an effective six to seven floors high visually.

That main office block is admittedly a fine feature in itself as a landscaped free-standing block, as at present, but does not seem to really lend itself as a façade to one side of a square. This building, fine as it is, was never conceived as being simply a façade onto a square


The Council obviously decided not to commission its own planning strategy document, but preferred to go to a developer, who has, true to their profession, naturally chosen to develop....to re-develop what is already there to the maximum, by wholesale demolition of the heart of the town, and a massive rebuilding programme to follow, with row upon row of housing blocks like a 1950's New Town scheme.


The developers naturally instructed another London-based firm, an architect's office, to draw up something to conform to their development needs, and where the designers, sited 100 kilometres away, could not ever be familiar with Burgess Hill, or even Sussex, and would not at that distance have any chance of getting to know the area, its history or evolution.


The new "gateway" feature stuck isolated at the far end of Queen Elizabeth Avenue appears rather like a left-over from 1960's eastern-european planning, where the roadway is turned into a grandious Avenue of Socialist Revolution, or similar. The only redeeming feature seems to be a fairly sensible new station and adjoining squares, although the plan does seem to feature the station platforms, bridge over etc.

In all, the plan seems to look like being a potential disaster, not just in turning Burgess Hill into another Crawley, but in practical financial terms could ruin the town in the cost of a building programme, which is in many instances unecessary anyway, and by the long-term effects of businesses and shops deserting the town due to lack of parking, and inevitably even higher commercial rates.

We have known Burgess Hill for many years. Our son lives there, in Church Road, ironically in one of the worst buildings which this plan intents to retain. We come in very frequently by choice, though in fact we live in Plumpton Green, and so are technically outside the Mid Sussex District Council area, and are not actual residents of Burgess Hill, though we had been considering moving there, but this does not stop us have active feelings about the changes being proposed. So, forgive us as outsiders for stating our views to you who actually live there, but it shows that the state of Burgess Hill does matter to an even wider group of people.



We know in fact of other people who by choice come to shop and spend time in Burgess Hill who live well outside, some coming even from Crawley, because they like the town, its facilities, and how refreshingly different it is at present from other bland shopping-centres based towns. They will certainly be disappointed by these proposals which would turn Burgess Hill into that same characterless mould.



We can only hope that the Burgess Hill residents who were so shocked by what they saw and your organisation will be able to get this current proposal withdrawn, so that a more user-friendly, evolutionary approach can be adopted for the long-term benefit of all. A different approach is possible. It is not as the Council seem to think, that "doing nothing is not an option", but a slower moving approach of gradual change, in the context of the historic evolution of Burgess Hill, and a "lighter hand on the tiller", controlled by the people of Burgess Hill rather than an outside developer, must be the right way forward so that the people of Burgess Hill can appreciate and enjoy the evolution even as necessary improvements and upgradings take place.

Peter Lennard

Sunday, March 12, 2006

My point of view

I agree the town centre needs re-developing but does it have to be so high rise?

As I understand it, the exact area to be redeveloped has not been finalised and the plans on display are more of a vision. That's what worries me - the vision is of another Crawley/Croydon. Even if our house was not directly effected, I would not wish to live in a town like that.

Regards
Nataly

Councillor contact details

If you would like to express your views directly to a councillor there is now a doc under the Links menu: 'Councillors to write to'

Please be polite and not be personal. These councillors are elected and work on our behalf. We just need them to take our view/opinions into account. Feel free to write to several at a time so personalised letters/emails are much more effective than mailshots...

Brian

Tuesday, March 07, 2006

Proposed plan in 3D



This the proposed plan for Burgess Hill - a Crawley/Croydon look alike. Click image to open up larger window. Note the height of the buildings. Almost all are 4/5 storey high - about the same as the current Amex building (Sussex House), consisting of business units on the ground floor and high density flats above.

Feel free to add your comments to this post.

Sunday, March 05, 2006

Initial test

Just trying this out...